Zirkin Throws Support Behind Death Penalty Repeal
A bill to repeal capital punishment is expected to pass out of a Senate committee with the vote of the Baltimore County Democrat.
The effort to repeal the death penalty in Maryland was stalled by the vote of one Baltimore County Democratic senator but it may pass this year because of another.
Sen. Bobby Zirkin said he will vote in favor of a bill that repeals capital punishment in the state.
"I'm forever torn on this issue, have been and probably always will be," Zirkin said in an interview Thursday. "I'm extremely jealous of people who fall comfortably on one side of the debate or the other."
In the end, Zirkin said he made the decision to vote for repealing capital punishment based on testimony of some victims who said the death penalty provided little closure because of lengthy appeals and that the state hasn't executed anyone in nearly a decade.
Zirkin said the families "suffer an unspeakable pain that continues and continues."
The repeal is one of Gov. Martin O'Malley's legislative priorities for the 2013 Maryland General Assembly session.
Zirkin's decision was first reported Thursday morning by the Washington Post.
In 2009, Zirkin sponsored a bill that tightened requirements on the use of the death penalty by requiring additional evidence including a video-taped confession, video that shows conclusively that the accused murderer committed the crime or DNA evidence.
But Zirkin was not on the Judicial Proceedings Committee at the time and has never had to cast a vote on a repeal bill.
"I was 50-50 on it four years ago," Zirkin said. "This isn't a change [of position]. It's an evolution in my thought."
Part of that evolution involved a look at which jurisdictions use the death penalty. Baltimore County has the reputation for being the most frequent user of capital punishment.
Two of the five remaining inmates on death row were convicted and sentenced in Baltimore County.
"That was one of the pivotal issues for me," Zirkin said. "Only one jurisdiction ever uses it."
In the end, Zirkin said it was not an issue of morality for him.
"I don't have a moral problem executing these monsters," Zirkin said, adding that he wants to "kill these people myself.
"But I have to separate the emotion from the practical legal reality," Zirkin continued. "The practical legal reality of our system is that it is very broken to the point that this hasn't been used in almost a decade."
Zirkin's vote will give death penalty opponents the six votes they need to get the bill out of the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee . It also means that there are roughly 26 senators who will vote to pass the bill when it comes to the floor next week—two more than required.
The committee is expected to hold a vote Thursday night. The bill is expected to receive a preliminary vote by the middle of next week with a final vote that Friday, according to Sen. Brian Frosh, chairman of the committee.
In previous years, Sen. Jim Brochin, a Democrat who also represents Baltimore County, was seen as the vote that kept the repeal from moving out of committee.
CP
3:06 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Another idiot!
M. Sullivan
3:16 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
This is the same goofball that keeps wasting the legislature's time trying to push a bill for a second state bird, the Raven.
Jeff Gordo
3:42 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
I completely support Senator Zirkin for his decision. Thank god HE, and not M. Sullivan, represent us!
Roland
12:59 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Jeff, God is spelled with a capital 'G'. Of course I would expect that from someone that supports an idiot.......
towsonjam
2:39 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Roland is a moron. Just debate the issue. You don't know our Senator. Agree or not he's a great legislator. Very caring. Very smart. Very thoughtful.
reasonedvoter
9:41 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Right towsonjam. Or should I just call you toe jam for short? Zirkin addressed only the part that will continue to ride the teflon leprechan's coat tails. The real issue is now that the death penalty is dead, what of the cost for housing these disgusting criminals? Are they going down? By what amount? How much more does the Maryland taxpayer have to shell out now?
Gburgatheist
8:39 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
@Roland, just like a god-botherer to care about life only until they are born.
Wayne Earl Jones
3:46 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
I personally think it's a good idea to require a video taped confession to give somebody the death penalty. It is insane to think you can just go kill people for something that they don't really think they did.
Christopher P
3:54 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
I agree with those who are voting for the repeal. The system is broken and this is a step in the right direction.
reasonedvoter
9:43 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
How does that logic work? If our "leaders" know the system is broken, why don't they fix it first?
Dave
3:54 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
There are such things as false confessions. What good does videotaping do under those circumstances?
Wayne Earl Jones
4:00 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Hey if you said you did it, as far as Wayne is concerned, you did it.
Christopher Kidwell
5:07 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Wayne, I have to say that you are dumb if you truly believe that. Wait until you have a cop yelling in your face saying "You did this, you did this!" and lying about evidence.
They can make even someone who was 100 miles away from the scene of the crime at the time it was done start to think that they did it.
Dave
4:04 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Appreciate your perspective, but I'm glad that is not how the justice system actually works (unless you're in Texas or Alabama).
John L.
4:07 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Not one of those on death row deserves to escape their penalty. They are guilty of their crimes (of which there is NO doubt, none). If executed they will not kill again, if that isn't a deterrent I don't know what is.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
4:17 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
what about shaka zulu's idea i mean killing them is such a waste http://bethesda.patch.com/articles/wind-bill-get-preliminary-house-approval#comment_6450275
Christopher Kidwell
5:09 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
John L., the death penalty is too expensive for it to be levied against anyone in the real world. MILLIONS of dollars for a death penalty trial compared to THOUSANDS for a non-death penalty trial.
Add into it the moral issues of dictating that someone has 'outlived their usefulness' on the planet and you see another issue.
No, the death penalty is just not something we need anymore and in a prison cell, there is less than .01% chance that the person in question will kill again.
Adam C
4:09 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
This is a tough issue no doubt and I am glad that Senator Zirkin made the decision that he did.
MR6453
4:11 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Killing them lets them take the easy way out. Let them rot in jail.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
4:23 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
What a vicious argument for saving a life.
Christopher Kidwell
6:13 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Exactly right, MR6453. I don't believe in 'heaven' or 'hell', I'm an Atheist and I believe killing someone just sends them onto their next life on this planet without any punishment.
Dave
4:12 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
When you make a mistake and sentence someone for a crime, they do some time and get out. When you make a mistake with the death penalty, there is no coming back from that. I guess John L. believes that humans are infallible.
Hillary
4:17 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
I completely agree! What if someone who was executed turned out to be innocent of the crime? One could never reverse THAT punishment!
Chucky Wagner
4:28 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
I agree with Dave and Christopher P. I just could not deal with killing someone who was later found to be innocent.
Howard Cohen
4:44 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
I support the Senator on his decision and pray for the bill's existence.
John L.
4:50 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
There is not one shred of 'doubt' about the five on death row. Facts proved these are the ones responsible for their deeds. There will never be a question of their guilt - infallible - not in these cases. no mistakes here at all. It is a shame we are what we are......lest you be their next victim........
FIFA_archived
5:05 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
"It is a shame we are what we are". What are we is the question, isn't it? Are we any better than murderers when in a cold calculating way, we murder? You call it execution and revenge, it is murder. That is the question.
Laura Porter
5:57 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Senator Zirkin said it so well. He would love to strangle them himself but he heard from those families who lost loved ones to murder and heard from them that the death penalty did not work for them
moe green
6:14 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Take our guns and let the murderers live.
Screw zirkin and his handler Marty yo'malley, the criminals friend.
FIFA_archived
6:49 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
moe, repealing the death penalty doesn't change your life one iota. Grow up.
CP
11:30 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Didn't work for them? How many families did it work for? LOL!
Evets
7:18 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Mr. Green, may I respectfully ask, just who is taking your guns?
Kongo
7:25 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Time to bring frontier justice to Maryland. Let's start with Fido, the trembling little filthy mutt.
Matt
7:37 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Instead of execution, why don't we have everyone hug it out?
Kongo
7:39 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
If these "civilized" weepers want these scumbag criminals alive so badly, let's put the supermax prisons right next to the anti-death penalty crowd. Let them tremble in fear for the rest of their lives.
justicefourall
9:59 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
if without a reasonable doubt (video footage and or dna) then it should be an eye for an eye kill them! quit worrying about the less than 1 percent who are innocent,we are talking about the truly guilty, you know the loser who has raped or killed innocent people before.it costs app.$50,000 per prisoner per year to be allowed to "rot" by the way they get 3 meals a day free health and dental heat and air conditioning drugs.congical visits WOW!!! that will teach them a lesson(sarcasm)
anon
10:31 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Why aren't prisoners used for labor like picking up litter along the streets? I am sick of seeing all the trash everywhere and I can only do so much myself.
John Rickell
6:41 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Crime stats will go way up now. O'smelly's gun control bill and no death penalty, come move to Maryland to be a career criminal.
Curtis Coon
7:45 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
This is not about saving or spending tax dollars; it is about justice and morality. The death penalty is wrong for several reasons. First, it is contrary to the teachings of the New Testament. Second, it does not serve to stop murder. Most true first degree murders are committed by persons that are irrational to begin with, and who would never weigh the consequences of their acts, or would just as well commit suicide, such as the situation with more common murder/suicides. Third, convictions for murder by juries and politically charged prosecutors do not reveal a reliable track record, given the gravity of the consequences of being wrong. Those who talk about the cost of implementing the death penalty have missed the point.
CP
9:09 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
It's not intended to stop murder. It is a punishment. I love the Libs spin. I bet you would feel different if someone raped and murdered your life partner!
jag
10:57 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
LOL, the comments CP makes are always hilarious.
"It's not intended to stop murder. It is a punishment. I love the Libs spin."
The death penalty being a deterrent is liberal spin? Umm...it's people who are PRO death penalty who have been tossing out that "spin" for decades now, not "Libs". This kid hasn't read a book in his life, Bible or otherwise.
FIFA_archived
11:03 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
CP's recent appearance is suspicious as well. Anyone seen Sanchez lately?
CP
11:03 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
I know jag you are so much smarter than I! Obliviously your way isn't working. Look at our society!! The proof is in the pudding.
CP
11:14 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
FIFA the only thing in here that is suspicious is your chromosome count.
rich fiedler
9:44 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
If it didn't take 20-30 YEARS to execute the people maybe just maybe it would be more effective. And way to go NAACP on playing the race card.I guess other races don't commit these crimes.And the Cardinal that said it would be closure for families, in my case Wrong !
rich fiedler
9:46 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
I meant,It would not be Closure for some families
Dave
10:14 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
CP,
Whether you like it or not criminal laws are created to illicit two types of deterrence. The first is specific deterrence. In specific deterrence you are showing the individual that he or she doesn’t want to do whatever they did again. In the case of capital punishment this type of deterrence is clearly achieved because the criminal is dead. However, there is a second type of deterrence associated with criminal justice. It is known as general deterrence. As Curtis Coon stated, people on death row were not influenced or deterred from doing their crime by knowing the death penalty is an option for them. This is what Curtis Coon is referring to when he says capital punishment does not stop murderers. It does nothing to dissuade people from committing a future murder. These two types of deterrence are not “lib spin” that are key components of criminal law.
As for justicefourall (I’m actually laughing about your name because of your comment), you commented that we should “quit worrying about the less than 1 percent who are innocent”. Wow now that’s truly justice for all! Well we only killed a few innocent people so that’s OK.
I love it when people who are completely ignorant of the law spout off about how criminal law ought to be. If you want an eye for an eye, call your law makers and get them to change our American Criminal Justice System to reflect your perspective. I won’t hold my breath.
CP
11:01 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Great copy and paste Dave. Your deterrent argument is a theory. And science will show that "laws of deterrence" fail. Nothing will stop murders. Why do you insist on giving criminals so many rights when they have taken a life that can no longer enjoy his/her rights? Nothing will deter any criminal of anything. So your view on the criminal justice system is why it is flawed.
ECLibertarian
10:22 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Let me get this straight:
Save a life when it comes to the death penalty, but let's not think twice about it when it comes to abortion.
FIFA_archived
10:25 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
It never takes long for someone to throw abortion into the death penalty debate. I'm surprised Godwin's law hasn't reared its head yet.
CP
10:52 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Trees have a soul but an unborn child doesn't. Got it!
Dave
10:37 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Mudslinging time: Republicans: we care a crap load about your baby, right up until it has been born.
Dave
11:23 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
CP,
No copy and paste. That is all from my head from a philosophy of law class I took 15 years ago. You say, "Nothing will deter any criminal of anything". If that is the case why do I buy anything, why not just steal it? Why do I work a job when I could just rob someone of their money?
CP
11:27 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Dave..seriously? That statement is FUBAR on so many levels. I'm sure your intentions are genuine.
Dave
12:58 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
CP,
You've given me a conclusion... that my statement is FUBAR on so many levels. I'd like you to tell me why. You made the statement that "Nothing will deter any criminal of anything". So, I guess my question to you is, why do we have laws at all? I don't think that's an outrageous question in light of your statement.
Roland
1:09 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Sure, let's just jail all the murderers and rapists. Lets send out the message it's okay to kill and rape because all that will happen to you is that we will pay your way for the rest of your life. That includes medical as well as educational, three meals a day, agym to work out in, cable TV, drugs and cell phones from the corrupt guards so you can carry on business, congical visits, and the list goes on. Yeah, let them live. I'm sure they didn't mean it. You know, it was their parents fault or the man down the street or the drugs or the mean kids at school...Get a grip people. Face reality and buck up....
Christopher Kidwell
5:12 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Roland, wake the hell up. We are not saying that it is okay to kill and rape, we are saying that NO ONE has the right to dictate that someone has outlived their usefulness on this planet and that if someone tries to, they WILL be punished.
Putting someone in a maximum security prison for life is punishment enough and if you really think that is how prison goes, that bull that you spouted in your post? You have no freaking clue and have never even VISITED a prison.
Roland
2:02 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
@christopher kidwell, I am awake chris. That is why I am RIGHT and you are WRONG. It's people like you, without morals or common sense, that hold this country down!
Christopher Kidwell
6:14 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Roland, you are not awake in the slightest. I work in the criminal justice field as a paralegal and I have to go to the prisons on a regular basis to speak with these people.
You have absolutely no idea how prison is today, it's not rainbows, chocolate and cotton candy.
Roland
9:29 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
@christopher kidwell...Good! I'm Glad it's not. As prisoners they have no rights. And as long as they are proven Murderers and Rapists they should be put down as soon as possible. Of course as a paralegal I can imagine you want to keep that tax dollar flowing so you can bite off your share.....
John Cofiell
2:41 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
With all of the budget cuts,we could save a lot of money putting death row people to there death. Why do the innocent people have the burden of paying to keep them alive.
Brad
3:26 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Criminals today have more rights than the average person, they get free medical, and a 4 year college degree curdosity of the Maryland taxpayers. The also get 3 meals a day, fitness equipment, cable, all the comforts of home. The average person works 5-7 days a week to put food on the table, and these criminals screw the law abiding citizens and their families. Some of the criminals sitting on death row thought nothing about taking a life and destroying family dreams. Now Zirkin who is a token of O'Malley wants to give these murders a chance at life at taxpayers expense. I wonder if something happened to a politicians family member if they would feel the same way. The death penalty should not be taken off the books.
Christopher Kidwell
6:20 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
There is an easy solution to that Brad: tell your Rethuglican overseers to get the hell out of the way and allow us to put into place a nationalized health insurance that covers all medically necessary treatments.
The Rethuglicans are the ones who are keeping us from getting a U.K. style health care system into place. I have friends that live over in the U.K. and they LAUD the health care system over there, saying it's much easier to get treatments over there.
Steve
3:28 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
"Criminals today have more rights than the average person...." Which rights do they have that we don't? It seems like being incarcerated they actually lose a couple of rights.
Brad
3:41 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Don't do the crime, and you don't have to do the time, Stay out of trouble and keep your nose clean and live a life like many people do. Get on drugs, steal, rob, kill and you loose your rights. God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, Thou shalt, not steal, Thou shalt not kill. People are taught at a very young age right form wrong.
You screw up you pay the penalty, that's why we have laws, if we didn't, what kind of world would we live in?
Christopher Kidwell
5:16 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Brad, there is no such person, place, thing, etc. as 'god' and too many of our laws are people trying to force their personal likes and dislikes, disguised as 'morality' on other people.
Such as the drug laws, such as the sexual morality laws (anti-prostitution laws), etc. etc. etc.
It's time to stop trying to dictate morality to people outside of about 5 things, listed now:
1. Do not kill unless it is your last choice to prevent your death or someone else's death.
2. Do not physically attack someone else unless it is your last choice to prevent someone else from being attacked or to defend yourself from an attack, unless you are in a sports arena where both sides know that they are going to be attacked.
3. Do not steal from someone else unless it is your last choice between you and death (this is a very liberal one from me, in all honesty).
4. Do not force someone to do or not do something that they do not or do wish to do, sexual or not and regardless of age or 'lack' of age, unless that person is breaking this rule themselves or putting someone else in imminent physical danger.
FIFA_archived
5:32 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Mr. Kidwell, I would change your number three slightly, if it means your family eating, I have some room there.
Otherwise, I use this word very lightly, "amen".
FIFA_archived
5:32 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Psst, No. 5?
theadore mann
5:38 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Well one less vote from me. No instead of the State saying to the guy that kills me "take the deal and you wont get the death penalty" now they will have to go to trial and all of the appeals. Or he can take the new deal and get out in 11 years. Yep thats good justice and public safety! We already made it so you had to be caught red handed, have dna link you, or a on tape confession to be eligible for the death penalty. This is just bad... No horrible public policy.
Penelope Patch
9:31 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
I say put all of the criminals on an island and create an eco-system where they have to work very hard to live. They would be very busy being productive rather than sitting around figuring out how to murder another inmate or commit their next crime in the community while they are still in prison or when they get out. Another thought...our elected officials should all live near the prisons. Oh I forgot, NIMBY.
DARRELL HAMMERBACKER
10:07 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Zirkin should be made to look at every death picture of a murder victim who were killed by these ANIMALS ! thats right ! ANIMALS !!! And everytime a person is murdered, every Politician who voted to repeal should get a lg envelope of the persons death pictures and the family of the murdered victim should spray RED PAINT on their sidewalk as a reminder of what they did.They have made it open season on the innocent who they deny the right to defend themselves.
amark
10:52 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
The best arguement I heard anyone make was Sen Brochin about the plea deal. If the state seeks the death penalty now, it can offer the accused a plea bargain of life without parole. Now that is not possible and any plea will be what, life with parole? Or 20-30 years? That is a big mistake. I live in Zirkin's district and actually have voted for him as he ran unopposed. I'm guessing Owe'malley twisted his arm or promised him something in return for his vote.
moe green
6:33 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
keep an eye on bills that the weenie zirkin entered or any projects that he wants for his district.
slimey, yo'malley will amply reward him for this cowardly act.
the warren holuse murders occurred in PIKESVILLE, zirkins distrtict.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Grandison
Steve
10:32 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Was Zirkin in office then?
"yo'malley"?? Did you think that up all by yourself? Wow! What rapier like wit!
Incredhulk
1:32 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Moe Green equals an angry unintelligent loser behind a computer screen. Not really worthy of the godfather. And Darrelll. Same for you buddy.
Roland
9:29 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
@christopher kidwell...Good! I'm Glad it's not. As prisoners they have no rights. And as long as they are proven Murderers and Rapists they should be put down as soon as possible. Of course as a paralegal I can imagine you want to keep that tax dollar flowing so you can bite off your share.....
Mark Patro
12:07 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Moments ago, Maryland's State Senate voted 27-20 to PASS legislation to end the death penalty!